Your blow-by-blow recap of the one vice presidential debate, with a variety of assist from Twitter


The talk was 90 minutes lengthy, with not one break, simply as the CPD warned us last month.

The talk shall be divided into 9 segments of roughly 10 minutes every. The moderator will ask a gap query, after which every candidate could have two minutes to reply. The moderator will use the steadiness of the time within the phase for a deeper dialogue of the subject.

In contrast to Chris Wallace, who moderated the “shitshow” known as the first presidential debate on Sept. 29, USA At the moment’s Web page didn’t launch her listing of matters upfront. Like Wallace, Web page is not going to be fact-checking the nominees in real-time.

Harris has been making ready with former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg standing in for fellow Indiana Hoosier Pence, whereas Pence recruited impeachment legal professional Pam Bondi to play Harris in his personal debate prep, which makes no rattling sense. Nevertheless, all indicators point out that Mayor Pete and Momala weren’t enjoying round throughout their mock debates.

And only a few minutes after 9 PM ET, we had been off. Web page kicked issues off by displaying off the small however socially distant crowd, the Plexiglass, and insisting individuals must maintain their masks on. The nominees got here out to cheers and promptly took a seat. Pence had a noticeably purple eye.

Web page despatched ideas and prayers to Trump and Melania, then vowed to implement the foundations that the campaigns and commissions had agreed to, and demanded a civil occasion.



Web page requested Harris how January and February 2021 beneath Biden-Harris would look totally different than beneath Trump-Pence. After reciting the grave statistics that face us now, Harris turned again to what the White Home knew in January. She promised that the distinction could be that Joe Biden has a plan, whereas the Trump administration didn’t. As her time ran out, Harris insisted that Trump-Pence had “forfeited” the appropriate to be reelected.

Pence was up subsequent, and Web page identified that the U.S. dying toll (as a share of inhabitants) was larger than that of every other rich nation, and requested him, fairly merely, why. After a string of platitudes to the College of Utah, Web page, and Harris, Pence mentioned Trump was working arduous from day one, and leaned into the “China journey ban” that wasn’t truly a ban, predictably citing Biden’s critique of that transfer as xenophobic. After admitting that he’s the pinnacle of the coronavirus job drive, Pence boasted of testing charges and protecting gear supply, in addition to vaccine improvement, earlier than he accused Biden of plagiarizing Trump’s plan. 

Harris fired again that the administration’s efforts hadn’t labored, earlier than laying failures at Pence’s ft as the pinnacle of the duty drive. She introduced up Trump’s notorious interviews with Bob Woodward, noting that the president saved his data of each the deadliness of COVID-19 and the virus’ quick transmission quiet—in order that People would keep calm. The crosstalk started instantly, and Harris gained 15 seconds to look into the digital camera and ask People how calm they had been as they navigated pandemic realities like not seeing their household, youngsters being caught dwelling from faculty, or not having the ability to discover rest room paper. 

Pence seemed into the digital camera and claimed he cared about individuals earlier than he mentioned Harris’ characterization of the administration’s dealing with of the virus so far was an insult to People. He then claimed that Drs. Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx informed them months in the past that in the event that they did “every little thing proper,” they may nonetheless lose over 200,000 individuals. Pence then made an enormous deal of standing up for the American individuals within the face of Harris’ evaluation of his personal failures, persevering with to aim to border her supply of information about his and Trump’s failures as assaults in opposition to People. 

Web page then requested Pence about his attendance at the maskless Rose Backyard tremendous spreader occasion on Sept. 26, and requested how the White Home anticipated People to observe the foundations whereas their management didn’t. Pence launched right into a speech about how a lot he and Trump belief “the American individuals” (cue new debate consuming recreation) and mocked Biden and Harris for not trusting or respecting them.


Harris identified that “respecting the American individuals” requires telling them the reality when permitting them to make their very own choices. Pence tried to interrupt however was denied soundly by Web page. After a considerably pleasant alternate the place Web page apologized for calling Sen. Harris “Kamala,” Web page requested if Harris would take a vaccine. She vowed to be first in line … if the scientists mentioned it was secure, however not if Trump claimed it was.


Pence was up first, however he railroaded Web page and turned again to the vaccine, insisting that Harris was making an attempt to undermine confidence in it. He then circled again to Harris’ use of the phrase “failure,” and introduced up H1N1, aka the Swine Flu, and spewed random numbers of people that didn’t die of it. His time was up, and he had not answered the precise query posed to him. That is how Pence debates.

The cut up display instantly turned the good equalizer of the controversy.

All through the evening, Harris silently voiced her ideas on Pence’s evasive nonsense and lies.

Harris was given the complete time to deal with Web page’s precise query: Have you ever mentioned with Biden what occurs within the face of presidential incapacity, and do you have to? Harris centered on the historical past she’s made and the day Biden referred to as her to ask her to be his operating mate. 


Pence was up first, and was requested if voters deserved entry to detailed details about Trump’s well being. He rambled about how a lot sympathy and kindness Trump obtained whereas hospitalized and congratulated Harris on her nomination, however didn’t reply the query. 

Harris was subsequent, and centered on the significance of transparency, zooming in on Trump’s appalling tax returns and big quantity of debt, in order that People know whether or not his self-interest is fueling his choices. She reiterated the necessity for transparency and Biden’s dedication to it. 

Pence jumped in with a “47 years in Washington” dig at Biden earlier than praising Trump for being a businessman and job creator, who turned the financial system round. Web page tried to silence him however he simply. saved. speaking.


Web page thanked Pence for the segue into the following subject, and dropped startling—and up to date—statistics and dangerous information from the job market. She requested if the Biden-Harris jobs plan and tax will increase would stifle the financial restoration. Harris identified that Trump evaluates the financial system’s well being by checking in on how wealthy persons are doing. She touched on their plan’s innovation, infrastructure, clear power, and training alternatives, all whereas contrasting them in opposition to Trump’s first-term failures. 

Pence was requested if People ought to brace for a restoration that takes two years or extra. Pence chided Barack Obama and Biden for taking too lengthy to sort things after the Nice Recession. He then claimed most voters bought $2,000 again from Trump’s 2017 tax rip-off, earlier than insisting that Biden-Harris wish to elevate taxes, ban fossil fuels, ban fracking, and drive the Inexperienced New Deal onto People. Once more, he refused to cease speaking when his time is up.

Harris insisted that this debate was speculated to be about fact and information, and started to clarify that Biden has vowed to not elevate taxes for anybody making lower than $400,000 a yr or ban fracking. Pence interrupted her and Web page did nothing. Harris refused to interact in crosstalk till Pence gave in.


She then reminded the room about Biden’s work with the Reasonably priced Care Act, and Trump’s willpower to crush it. Web page tried to chop her off, however Harris reminded her that Pence had interrupted her moments in the past, and reclaimed her time.


She seemed into the digital camera and warned individuals with preexisting circumstances: “They’re coming for you.”

Pence tossed a canned line about opinions and information … and Harris informed him it was line. He then rambled on and didn’t reply his query, repeating that Biden was going to ban fracking.


Pence was requested, as Hurricane Delta looms and wildfires ravaged the west coast, what the Trump-Pence administration deliberate to do about it. Pence dove deep into his delusions, rambling about forest administration, extra fracking, and deregulation.

Harris repeated that Biden wouldn’t ban fracking, or elevate taxes on anybody making much less rhan $400,000, earlier than itemizing the environmental crises Biden has seen and is decided to battle. She additionally introduced up the Trump-Pence administration’s battle on science, and reminded us of Trump’s pesky behavior of claiming the he is aware of greater than scientists. 

Pence was then requested if he believes local weather change poses an existential risk. Pence spent 5 seconds saying that the local weather was altering earlier than he veered proper again to Biden’s vow to repeal the Trump-GOP Tax Rip-off, and repeated that Biden was going to ban fracking … once more … and kill jobs. He then insisted that Biden-Harris are going to drive the Inexperienced New Deal onto People.


Harris zoomed in on Pence’s point out of jobs, citing the failed commerce battle with China, our struggling manufacturing sector, and struggling farmers. She introduced up her stepdaughter within the context of highschool and school graduates worrying about what jobs await them, due to the Trump administration. 

Pence used his time to ramble on about what number of jobs Trump has created, insisting Biden and Obama ruined the financial system. Harris identified that Biden saved the automotive trade, and Pence voted in opposition to it.


Web page introduced up Trump’s continued battle with China, and requested Pence the place he thought we stood with China. He spent the majority of his time making an attempt to border Harris as a far-left demon earlier than backing up Trump’s blame of China for the coronavirus, and citing the Chinese language journey ban that wasn’t a ban, and Biden’s opposition of it. He then refused to cease speaking, and Web page did nothing.


Harris was given the identical query. She identified the aftereffects of Trump’s battle with China, and introduced up his obsession with erasing all issues Obama, together with an company dedicated to pandemic preparation. She then introduced up the COVID-19 dying toll earlier than citing the ripple impact of Trump’s tariff-driven commerce battle. She additionally identified that Trump has decimated america’ standing on this planet. 

Web page then requested Harris what she thought America’s place must be on this planet transferring ahead. She leaned on Biden’s relationship-focused strategy to governing, noting that it’s vital to maintain your phrase to your folks and maintain your adversaries in verify. She then identified that Trump did the alternative, citing Russian intelligence assaults, NATO, and the Iran Nuclear Deal. 

Pence claimed that Trump “saved his phrase” by transferring an embassy to Jerusalem earlier than shifting to ISIS, claiming that Trump “unleashed” the army and destroyed the Caliphate. He then informed the story of humanitarian Kayla Mueller, who’d been held hostage in the course of the Obama administration, insisting that servicemembers had informed him that she’d be alive if Trump had been president.


Whereas Web page tried to name Pence for time, he continued to speak, and speak, and speak, citing the strike that killed Qassem Soleimani in January of this yr. 

Web page then gave Harris an opportunity to reply, warning her to not speak as a lot as Pence did so they may transfer on. Harris demanded equal time, then expressed condolences to the Mueller household, who was within the viewers, earlier than noting the accidents sustained by U.S. troopers within the wake of the Soleimani assassination. She then introduced up Trump’s disrespect of troopers writ massive, and John McCain particularly, in addition to the bounties on U.S. troopers that Trump’s ignored.

Pence rolled proper over Web page when she tried to cease him from speaking. She identified that he’d had extra time than Harris however he simply saved speaking. As he spoke about Trump’s love for the troopers, Web page performed the “your marketing campaign agreed to the foundations” card, and he lastly shushed himself.


Pence was requested what would occur in his dwelling state of Indiana if a newly-conservative Supreme Courtroom overturned Roe v. Wade. Pence went proper again to the earlier subject, and mentioned Biden didn’t need Obama to kill Osama bin Laden, earlier than saying that he hoped Coney Barrett wouldn’t be attacked for being Christian throughout her affirmation course of, and said that he hoped she’d be confirmed, with out ever answering the query at hand.

Harris was requested what she’d wish to occur in her dwelling state of California if Roe is overturned. She famous that she and Biden are non secular individuals. She voiced opposition to affirmation hearings, citing public opinion. She briefly answered the query—the selection belongs to the pregnant particular person, not Trump—earlier than circling again to Trump’s battle on the Reasonably priced Care Act and preexisting circumstances. She then provided some tidbits from Biden’s well being care plan.


Pence was up first and dodged the query, as an alternative mendacity about late-term abortions, and Biden-Harris’ help for them, earlier than deciding he was the brand new moderator.


He instantly requested Harris if Biden was going to pack the Supreme Courtroom if Coney Barrett is confirmed as Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s substitute.

Harris as an alternative thanked him for citing the historical past of the Supreme Courtroom, and launched into a fast lesson herself, noting that Abraham Lincoln declined to nominate a Supreme Courtroom Justice in an election yr. Pence repeated the packing query, and—with out letting Harris communicate—insisted that they plan to just do that.


He then seemed into the digital camera and informed viewers that in the event that they respect the Supreme Courtroom, and need a nine-justice Supreme Courtroom, they might vote for Trump.

Harris then identified that Trump had packed the courtroom with judges throughout his first time period, making lifetime appointments, and never considered one of them was Black.


Web page provided the broad strokes of the Taylor case earlier than asking Harris if she believed justice had been served. Harris mentioned it had not. She touched on her dialog with Taylor’s mom earlier than citing the homicide of George Floyd that People watched in Could and June. She introduced up the protests, noting that she didn’t condone violence, however supported preventing to attain our beliefs. Noting that “dangerous cops are dangerous for good cops,” Harris vowed {that a} Biden win would carry the top of money bail and personal prisons, the decriminalization of hashish, and a ban on choke and carotid holds.

Pence kicked off his time by saying he was unhappy she died however he trusts the justice system. He then accused Harris of being dismissive of the Taylor grand jury and mentioned he hoped justice could be served for Floyd’s murderers.

He skipped proper previous marches and protests to riots and destruction with a giant fly caught in his white hair. It was there for 2 minutes.

Pence claimed that acknowledging systemic racism was an insult to legislation enforcement. He then muttered just a few speaking factors about Trump being nice for Black People.

Harris responded by declaring that she was the one prosecutor on the stage. She then rattled off Trump’s lengthy—so lengthy—historical past of cultivating racism, bigotry, and hate on this nation. From the Muslim ban to Charlottesville, to his “stand again and stand by” nod to the Proud Boys on the first debate. 

Pence kicked off his time by raging in opposition to the media and holding up Trump’s Jewish grandchildren as proof he’s no bigot. His time was up, however Web page let him kick off a rambling assault on Harris’ document as a prosecutor. He saved speaking and speaking as Web page tried to cease him, slipping in additional “Trump loves Black individuals” speaking factors, together with faculty selection. 

Web page tried to maneuver onto the following level however Harris fought for equal time AGAIN.


Harris spoke to the reforms she carried out in San Francisco, together with officer-worn physique cameras. Web page tried to chop her off, however Harris wasn’t enjoying good.


Web page posed the final query of the evening: What in case you win, and Trump gained’t go away? Harris painted an image of a broad coalition of help, earlier than telling everybody to vote. She informed viewers we now have the ability to form the way forward for our nation and defend our democracy by voting.

She then introduced up Trump’s effort to suppress the vote, particularly on the first debate final week.

Web page then requested what Pence would do if Trump refused to concede energy after shedding the election. Pence as an alternative insisted that his ticket was going to win, and touted the Trump administration’s “motion” and a few imprecise accomplishments, together with appointing conservative judges and supporting legislation enforcement. He then informed Harris that her celebration was making an attempt to overturn the 2016 election, and one way or the other, SOMEHOW, managed to sneak in a thinly-cloaked “BUT HER EMAILS.” He then railed in opposition to voting by mail. 


The ultimate query got here from Brecklynn, a Utahn in eighth grade. She famous the fixed preventing she sees on tv. amongst politicians and amongst residents, and requested what every nominee thought their good instance may do to impact change and foster unity.


Pence was first, and insisted that she shouldn’t belief her native information earlier than touting that RBG and Antonin Scalia had been good buddies, implying that individuals can conform to disagree.

Harris introduced up Biden’s determination to run: the hatred in Charlottesville, and precisely what the eighth-grader described. She famous that Biden has an extended historical past of working throughout the aisle and uniting individuals. She then promised Brecklynn that it might get higher, and inspired her management. After which, fortunately, with another spherical of ideas and prayers for Trump and his COVID-19 cluster, this horrible debate was over. 

The low-hanging fruit of this evening? The rattling fly.

It’s enjoyable, I get it. And I’m all the time right here for Obama clips.

However the actuality is that Mike Pence simply did a well mannered model of what Trump did final week. He railroaded and ignored the foundations, and used the very same right-wing lies and speaking factors to keep away from the matters at hand. He simply does it with out elevating his voice.


The fact is that Susan Web page did a horrible job moderating this debate. She deferred to the white man each time, on the expense of a girl of coloration. 


Kamala Harris fought a battle on that debate stage that shall be acquainted to many ladies, significantly Black girls. In the long run, CNN’s official timers insist that she solely clocked just a few seconds much less time to talk than Pence, however she needed to battle for it, repeatedly, as Web page and Pence had no intention of letting her be heard.

This debate? It was as a lot of a shitshow as final week’s was, simply in a distinct outfit.